responsibility of passing appropriations bills. those that actually authorize spending. so we have these short-term government funding mechanisms. you did the story, i'm sure, six months ago, carol, a year ago, over government shutdowns, and we're going to do this as long as they don't figure out how to set spending plans in place. >> well, so are you saying that maybe it's a good idea to say we'll just shut the government down, to take extreme negotiating tactics like that? >> no, i'm not saying it's a good idea. i'm saying it's an obvious consequence. i mean, do you want the government to have an actual spending plan, to budget and spend in a responsible manner, or do you want the government to just willy nilly spend in whatever fashion it wants, in the meantime, racking up $16 trillion in debt. if they don't do the first, if they don't put responsible spending plans together. l.z. can weigh in on that. that's what they ought to do. if they don't, these other cliffs, they're natural by products.